Tall Ship harbors at Knife River, MN.

SCmzd · 07-30-2010, 06:12 PM

There are several "tall ships" in the Duluth harbor right now. I was excited to find this one harbored by Knife River, MN., the night before they made their entrance into Duluth, (away from the thousands of people

, although it did look like all of Knife River came down to the lake

It was great to see how excited people were about the ship, racing out in their watercrafts to surround the boat and get a closer look. This image was made shortly after the ship set off one of it's cannons, which caused a tremendous disturbance to the hundreds of herring gulls and double crested cormorants that nest on the island right off the shore. Hundreds of gulls immediately became airborn, swirling around the island, while several double crested cormorants came flying past the ship to gauge the threat. It was magical really, unexpected, the sight and sound of it all. SonyA300, Sigma50/500 (at approx. 280mm), f9, 1/80, (no tripod

small crop, leveled the water line, cloned three dust spots and two birds, USM.
Comments and critiques always welcome.
Regards,
Shawn Zierman.

jerryb · 07-30-2010, 09:53 PM

Cool. I would be tempted to clone out the other watercraft.

BillM · 07-30-2010, 10:35 PM

The gulls really make this photo, IMO. The other watercraft do the opposite. I agree with Jerry that getting rid of them would be good.

Tim H · 07-30-2010, 10:41 PM

I like!

I again, like that misty, oof look, perhaps to take a stretch, "painterly" feel!

Really does help's with the setting for the vessel. I would echo in agreement that the other craft would look better by themselves in another image. Now, if those were removed from the image, would there be call for an alternative crop? Or leave as is? Just curious....

photonanax3 · 07-31-2010, 07:55 AM

Shawn - I like the feel and mood of this one. If I were to take anything out, it would be the boats in the middle, keeping both sailboats just to show old and new.

SCmzd · 07-31-2010, 12:05 PM

Excellent feedback and thankyou. Yes, yes, if the image were to be a postcard or something then the small watercraft would be better not there. However, this image is about a moment, a documentation of what was, not what (might have been great if....)
Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed in myself for cloning out the two birds that I did, ridiculous really. What about the pleasing spacing between the multiple crafts in the image, what about the interesting scale provided by including the other boats?
Again, I truly appreciate the feedback, but in general, I'm much more interested in what was, not what was not

And I'm not as altruistic as that sounds

Tim H · 07-31-2010, 12:21 PM

Looking at it from that perspective, I would agree. Images, are, should be about moments. I post alot here and most if not all of my images are moments, no time to compose, perfect focus, light, etc. I think I may have found my confort level, between perfection, which is very dificult for me and perhaps pleasing and the wow factor for other than professional viewing. Back to your image, yes, initially that was my thinking, I kinda got the "juxtaposion" thinger. Old to new, motorized vs human powered of various size, etc.... I like it either way.

SCmzd · 07-31-2010, 12:35 PM

Good for you Tim, you've picked up on something even more expansive, water craft evolution! Bravo, I had not thought of that. It's like living history really, and I can tell you that the people in those boats (and there were many more not pictured here), were very excited to race out there and be close to the giant. There was excitement and energy at that place not just because a tall ship was there, but because there were several people in various capacities (boats, canoes, kyaks, lawn chairs.....), who were there helping to create that moment. And why exclude that kind of thing?

Roger Williams · 07-31-2010, 01:49 PM

Lucky you, to view the ship without all the Duluth hub-bub! I like the setting! Beautiful light and nummy sky colors. No preference here on the clone/no-clone discussion. Artist's choice. You wanted to tell a story and the image does just that.

We may come to Duluth to view the ships on Monday (shudder). I'd rather pad the sand on Park Point looking for birds but then its my wife's b'day so, whatever.

07-30-2010, 06:12 PM	#1
SCmzd Photo Ace Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 996	Tall Ship harbors at Knife River, MN. There are several "tall ships" in the Duluth harbor right now. I was excited to find this one harbored by Knife River, MN., the night before they made their entrance into Duluth, (away from the thousands of people , although it did look like all of Knife River came down to the lake It was great to see how excited people were about the ship, racing out in their watercrafts to surround the boat and get a closer look. This image was made shortly after the ship set off one of it's cannons, which caused a tremendous disturbance to the hundreds of herring gulls and double crested cormorants that nest on the island right off the shore. Hundreds of gulls immediately became airborn, swirling around the island, while several double crested cormorants came flying past the ship to gauge the threat. It was magical really, unexpected, the sight and sound of it all. SonyA300, Sigma50/500 (at approx. 280mm), f9, 1/80, (no tripod small crop, leveled the water line, cloned three dust spots and two birds, USM. Comments and critiques always welcome. Regards, Shawn Zierman.

07-30-2010, 09:53 PM	#2
jerryb Papa Ratzo Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Burnsville,MN Posts: 2,763	Cool. I would be tempted to clone out the other watercraft. __________________ Jerry Barnett http://www.frontiernet.net/~jbphoto contains Spring&Summer 2009 photographs.

07-30-2010, 10:35 PM	#3
BillM Papa Ratzo Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St. Paul Posts: 3,360	The gulls really make this photo, IMO. The other watercraft do the opposite. I agree with Jerry that getting rid of them would be good. __________________ Bill www.pbase.com/mngatorguy “I find the single most valuable tool in the darkroom is my trash can.” John Sexton "Sometimes I don't use it enough." BillM

07-30-2010, 10:41 PM	#4
Tim H Papa Ratzo Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Apple Valley Posts: 1,007	I like! I again, like that misty, oof look, perhaps to take a stretch, "painterly" feel! Really does help's with the setting for the vessel. I would echo in agreement that the other craft would look better by themselves in another image. Now, if those were removed from the image, would there be call for an alternative crop? Or leave as is? Just curious.... __________________ * * * "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." - Albert Einstein * * * Olympus E500/520 bodies * Lenses: Olympus 50mm 1:2 Macro * Olympus 14-45mm * Olympus 40-150mm * Zukio 70-300 / Sigma 50-500 * Olympus EC14 - 1.4x TC)

07-31-2010, 07:55 AM	#5
photonanax3 Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Blaine Posts: 447	Shawn - I like the feel and mood of this one. If I were to take anything out, it would be the boats in the middle, keeping both sailboats just to show old and new. __________________ Debbie K. Canon 50D, 100-400L, 24-105L, 10-22, 50mm 1.8, 100mm macro Doing at 50 what I should have done at 20 www.nanasmemories.com

07-31-2010, 12:05 PM	#6
SCmzd Photo Ace Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 996	Excellent feedback and thankyou. Yes, yes, if the image were to be a postcard or something then the small watercraft would be better not there. However, this image is about a moment, a documentation of what was, not what (might have been great if....) Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed in myself for cloning out the two birds that I did, ridiculous really. What about the pleasing spacing between the multiple crafts in the image, what about the interesting scale provided by including the other boats? Again, I truly appreciate the feedback, but in general, I'm much more interested in what was, not what was not And I'm not as altruistic as that sounds

07-31-2010, 12:21 PM	#7
Tim H Papa Ratzo Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Apple Valley Posts: 1,007	Looking at it from that perspective, I would agree. Images, are, should be about moments. I post alot here and most if not all of my images are moments, no time to compose, perfect focus, light, etc. I think I may have found my confort level, between perfection, which is very dificult for me and perhaps pleasing and the wow factor for other than professional viewing. Back to your image, yes, initially that was my thinking, I kinda got the "juxtaposion" thinger. Old to new, motorized vs human powered of various size, etc.... I like it either way. __________________ * * * "I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." - Albert Einstein * * * Olympus E500/520 bodies * Lenses: Olympus 50mm 1:2 Macro * Olympus 14-45mm * Olympus 40-150mm * Zukio 70-300 / Sigma 50-500 * Olympus EC14 - 1.4x TC)

07-31-2010, 12:35 PM	#8
SCmzd Photo Ace Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 996	Good for you Tim, you've picked up on something even more expansive, water craft evolution! Bravo, I had not thought of that. It's like living history really, and I can tell you that the people in those boats (and there were many more not pictured here), were very excited to race out there and be close to the giant. There was excitement and energy at that place not just because a tall ship was there, but because there were several people in various capacities (boats, canoes, kyaks, lawn chairs.....), who were there helping to create that moment. And why exclude that kind of thing?

07-31-2010, 01:49 PM	#9
Roger Williams Photo Ace Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arden Hills Posts: 938	Lucky you, to view the ship without all the Duluth hub-bub! I like the setting! Beautiful light and nummy sky colors. No preference here on the clone/no-clone discussion. Artist's choice. You wanted to tell a story and the image does just that. We may come to Duluth to view the ships on Monday (shudder). I'd rather pad the sand on Park Point looking for birds but then its my wife's b'day so, whatever. __________________ "Photography is a way of feeling, of touching, of loving. What you have caught on film is captured forever - it remembers little things, long after you have forgotten everything." ~ Aaron Siskind www.rwill.smugmug.com

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